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Fabrice Bernhard - Co-Author of “The Lean Tech Manifesto” & Co-Founder & CTO at Theodo @fab-bernhard
Steve Pereira - Co-Author of “Flow Engineering” & Principal Consultant at Visible Flow Consulting @visibleconsulting 

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Fabrice
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https://github.com/fabriceb
https://www.linkedin.com/in/fabricebernhard

Steve
https://x.com/steveelsewhere
https://github.com/stevepereira
https://www.linkedin.com/in/devopsto
https://stevepereira.ca

Links
https://hbr.org/1986/01/the-new-new-product-development-game
https://youtu.be/5Vk4NJrI2KE
https://youtu.be/cSywovR5t_Q
https://youtu.be/TcbmRRy-vno
https://youtu.be/V5p8m1IjJoA
https://youtu.be/ahyF8e9qKBc
https://youtu.be/NTF1eE1yHzE
https://youtu.be/HKS5sKsIkkc
https://youtu.be/a-BOSpxYJ9M
https://youtu.be/pQJxlGUz5xY
https://youtu.be/-InKsQQY9Vk
https://youtu.be/sQOHhoCSfak
https://youtu.be/8vqYBnBjycM
https://youtu.be/OCKmryIE4nY

DESCRIPTION
Fabrice Bernhard, co-founder of Theodo and co-author of "The Lean Tech Manifesto", shares his journey from agile practitioner to lean thinking advocate. The discussion explores how lean principles can scale agile practices beyond small teams, the misconceptions around both methodologies, and the emergence of tech-enabled networks of teams as a new organizational model.

Fabrice emphasizes that both lean and agile are fundamentally about people, not processes, and shares practical lessons from scaling his consultancy to 700 people while maintaining agility through lean principles.

TIMECODES
00:00 Intro
01:11 The catalyst: When agility meets its limits
06:15 The relationship between lean & agile
13:40 Evolution & misconceptions
23:17 Leadership & culture
26:47 Real-world case study
30:10 Conclusion: Keeping humans at the center
31:37 Outro

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Fabrice Bernhard & Benoît Charles-Lavauzelle • The Lean Tech Manifesto • https://amzn.to/3Z4EbU6
Steve Pereira & Andrew Davis • Flow Engineering • https://amzn.to/3GY3u44
General Stanley McChrystal, Collins, Silverman & Fussell • Team of Teams • https://amzn.to/4bUzhQY
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/4a2gh0i
Bill Frasure, Bruce Eckel, James Ward • Effect Oriented Programming • https://amzn.to/4sO6wLV
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/3XTmNCc

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The Lean Tech Manifesto • Fabrice Bernhard & Steve Pereira • GOTO 2026