Damien Tanner (founder of Pusher, now building Layercode) is back for a reunion 17 years in the making. Damien officially returns to The Changelog to discuss the seismic shift happening in software development. From the first sponsor of the podcast to frontline builder in the AI agent era, Damien shares his insights on...

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Damien Tanner, founder of Pusher and now building Layercode, discusses the fundamental shift in software development driven by AI agents. He argues that traditional SaaS is dying because AI agents don't need human-centric UIs—they can generate custom software on-demand and perform work autonomously. Tanner shares his experience building a custom CRM with Claude Code in minutes, then realizing the AI could do the actual sales work itself. He explores how this changes development practices like code review, suggesting teams without legacy processes move significantly faster. Layercode provides real-time voice infrastructure for AI agents, handling the complex streaming pipeline from speech-to-text to LLM processing to text-to-speech with sub-second latency using Cloudflare Workers. The conversation covers the transition from Web 2.0 developer tools to an era where small teams can build giant products, and where every user becomes a developer through natural language interfaces.

The era of the Small Giant with Damien Tanner (Changelog Interviews #673)