Decided to squeeze an extra stream in before the holidays because the conversation this week so far is already has so much going on.

[0:00] Preamble
[4:15] SolidStart Beta 2 is Out!
[11:00] Q&A: What To Do Now? How Can People Help?
[21:45] Q&A: Dependencies? PPR? JS Backends? The Edge?
[37:30] Q&A: React's Complexity? DHH? No-Build? 3 C's?
[51:00] Q&A: But, Why? SSG? Right Tool? Migrations?
[58:00] SSR vs. CSR: FCP, TTFB, and the Extra Hop
[1:09:15] SSR/CSR: What's a SPA? & UI = fn((state || data))
[1:17:15] SSR/CSR: SEO, CSR, & JS on the Server
[1:26:30] SSR/CSR: Spinners, Hydration, & The Fold
[1:36:30] SSR/CSR: Lazy Hydration Is A Myth
[1:45:00] SSR/CSR: Resumability Doesn't Solve Routing
[1:51:00] SSR/CSR: Innovation From Large Companies
[1:56:30] SSR/CSR: Why Is Qwik On Its Own?
[2:01:30] SSR/CSR: Marko, React, Svelte, & Performance
[2:12:30] SSR/CSR: Progressive Enhancement?
[2:18:00] SSR/CSR: Atila's Video & Gatsby's Alive
[2:23:00] SSR/CSR: Do We Need Server Rendered SPAs?
[2:29:30] SSR/CSR: From SPAs to Islands to... HTMX?!
[2:42:00] Conclusion: What to Use? Explore the Middle
[2:56:45] One Extra Microtask Tick
[3:04:00] The Power of JSX & Good Baseline Primitives
[3:17:15] What is SolidStart Again?
[3:35:00] Closure Extraction, .bind(), & .with()
[3:49:15] Final Thoughts on the New APIs & The Future

Thank you @zombiefacesupreme for the time stamps

Ryan Carniato

A live stream discussion covering JavaScript rendering paradigms, specifically the CSR vs SSR debate, with references to real-world performance tradeoffs. Topics include SolidJS and Solid Start beta 2 release updates (Nitro backend, improved CSR support), the no-build movement critique, bundling and compression tradeoffs (HTTP/2, gzip), server functions adding extra network hops, partial pre-rendering infrastructure requirements, and React Server Components architectural limitations. The stream also touches on framework philosophy differences between opinionated vs flexible approaches, and the challenges of maintaining open source meta-frameworks during rapidly shifting paradigms.

JavaScript vs JavaScript - CSR & SSR