Kent Beck and Angie Jones on AI adoption, engineering layoffs, and whether there's a better bargain we could offer workers.

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Software Design: Tidy First?

Kent Beck interviews Angie Jones, formerly a leading AI adoption program leader and now at the Agentic AI Foundation, about the challenges AI poses to software engineers. They discuss the difficult tradeoffs AI presents to developers, the current state of hiring junior developers, and the importance of building open standards for the next era of software development.

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